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365 Day Challenge Day 58: Juan Manuel Marquez v Marco Antonio Barrera
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Davie
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Juan Manuel Marquez vs Marco Antonio Barrera
Out of all of the Marquez/Morales/Pacquiao/Barrera fights I think this is perhaps the only one I have not watched. My first thoughts are it probably happened too late for MAB. There was probably only a short window where both were peaking, probably 03-05 at FW.
Also a shame we never got Moralez vs Marquez, which would probably have needed to happen in the same window. Of course these guys were tied up with fighting each other. At the end of the day you can't really complain about any of the 4 of their careers but it would have been nice to see.
1. 9-10 Barrera. Good opener with plenty thrown and hard shots landed. Barrera started well, then once Marquez got going, Barrera always responded to anything he landed. Some good movement from MAB that you expect to see dry up in the latter rounds
2. 9-10 Barrera. A lot closer than the commentary made it out and I only had Barrera stealing it with the last few shots. Barrera slightly quicker to the punch and counter and probably landing the cleaner shots, but Marquez oputput was superior and landed his share
3. 10-9 Marquez. I feel like they are over-selling the good work of Barrera here. Marquez landing combinations with plenty meat on his shots. He throws nice combination without loading up the right and actually consistently gets more on his 'weaker' left hand shots
4. 10-9 Marquez. I thought both landed a similar number of punches but certainly in the first two minutes it was jabs and the odd body shot from MAB, while JMM landed a variety, including power shots. Interesting to see the change from MAB pressing forward to being pushed back by the end of the round
5. 10-9 Marquez. MAB trying to box with single jabs and single counter shots, his output is becoming more and more conservative. This is why this fight would have been better 3 years earlier. Marquez landing a little bit of everything as he grows nicely into the fight. The right uppercut towards the end a highlight
6. 9-10 Barrera. Upped his work rate, possibly still edged by Marquez on that front but I thought MAB did a better job defending with his guard than he had been with head movement earlier and it allowed him to get closer to trade. The brawl that broke out near the end was good with Barrera maybe just edging that too. Again, that's where I would give Barrera the advantage but at 33 he couldn't sustain this kind of fight (I know JMM is older but he aged better and peaked later)
7. 10-8 Marquez. I've seldom seen a harder round to score, this is a conundrum. Marquez was close to being a 10-8 round, hurting Barrera numerous times. Barrera knocks Marquez down with a legit punch with seconds to go. Then he hits him on the deck. The ref appears not to score the knock down and deducts a point. You have to take the point, because he did hit him well after he hits the floor. I think even without that, I might have scored this round to Marquez, it was that one sided, with the kd making it level. ach fuck knows, I'll accept the refs call and leave it at that.
8. 9-10 Barrera that was a real tough round to score and a really enjoyable one to watch, plenty of good punches landed for either man as the round swung one way then another
9. 10-9 Marquez, similar to the last round. A lovely Marquez left hook on the 1 minute mark stuck in my mind. Barrera rocked hard and comes straight back though, what a mandible.
10. 10-9 Marquez. Seemed reasonably easy to score but Barrera adamant he isn't going to make any of these straight forward came back toward the end
11. 10-9 Marquez. This is his fight to lose on my card now. You know he's landed something good when Barrera throws back, Marquez seems to have sussed this now and moved his head after landing his best shots in this round
12. 10-9 Marquez, Barrera tried to go after him in the last round but Marquez matched him and more which tells you who is the 'younger' fighter. Typical Mexican finish, throwing till the end
116-111 Juan Manuel Marquez.
Out of all of the Marquez/Morales/Pacquiao/Barrera fights I think this is perhaps the only one I have not watched. My first thoughts are it probably happened too late for MAB. There was probably only a short window where both were peaking, probably 03-05 at FW.
Also a shame we never got Moralez vs Marquez, which would probably have needed to happen in the same window. Of course these guys were tied up with fighting each other. At the end of the day you can't really complain about any of the 4 of their careers but it would have been nice to see.
1. 9-10 Barrera. Good opener with plenty thrown and hard shots landed. Barrera started well, then once Marquez got going, Barrera always responded to anything he landed. Some good movement from MAB that you expect to see dry up in the latter rounds
2. 9-10 Barrera. A lot closer than the commentary made it out and I only had Barrera stealing it with the last few shots. Barrera slightly quicker to the punch and counter and probably landing the cleaner shots, but Marquez oputput was superior and landed his share
3. 10-9 Marquez. I feel like they are over-selling the good work of Barrera here. Marquez landing combinations with plenty meat on his shots. He throws nice combination without loading up the right and actually consistently gets more on his 'weaker' left hand shots
4. 10-9 Marquez. I thought both landed a similar number of punches but certainly in the first two minutes it was jabs and the odd body shot from MAB, while JMM landed a variety, including power shots. Interesting to see the change from MAB pressing forward to being pushed back by the end of the round
5. 10-9 Marquez. MAB trying to box with single jabs and single counter shots, his output is becoming more and more conservative. This is why this fight would have been better 3 years earlier. Marquez landing a little bit of everything as he grows nicely into the fight. The right uppercut towards the end a highlight
6. 9-10 Barrera. Upped his work rate, possibly still edged by Marquez on that front but I thought MAB did a better job defending with his guard than he had been with head movement earlier and it allowed him to get closer to trade. The brawl that broke out near the end was good with Barrera maybe just edging that too. Again, that's where I would give Barrera the advantage but at 33 he couldn't sustain this kind of fight (I know JMM is older but he aged better and peaked later)
7. 10-8 Marquez. I've seldom seen a harder round to score, this is a conundrum. Marquez was close to being a 10-8 round, hurting Barrera numerous times. Barrera knocks Marquez down with a legit punch with seconds to go. Then he hits him on the deck. The ref appears not to score the knock down and deducts a point. You have to take the point, because he did hit him well after he hits the floor. I think even without that, I might have scored this round to Marquez, it was that one sided, with the kd making it level. ach fuck knows, I'll accept the refs call and leave it at that.
8. 9-10 Barrera that was a real tough round to score and a really enjoyable one to watch, plenty of good punches landed for either man as the round swung one way then another
9. 10-9 Marquez, similar to the last round. A lovely Marquez left hook on the 1 minute mark stuck in my mind. Barrera rocked hard and comes straight back though, what a mandible.
10. 10-9 Marquez. Seemed reasonably easy to score but Barrera adamant he isn't going to make any of these straight forward came back toward the end
11. 10-9 Marquez. This is his fight to lose on my card now. You know he's landed something good when Barrera throws back, Marquez seems to have sussed this now and moved his head after landing his best shots in this round
12. 10-9 Marquez, Barrera tried to go after him in the last round but Marquez matched him and more which tells you who is the 'younger' fighter. Typical Mexican finish, throwing till the end
116-111 Juan Manuel Marquez.
Same here.
Just watched it through in the last hour. Fantastic stuff.
However Jay Nady didn't call that a KD in the seventh is a mystery.
May fall 2 behind tonight as busy but I’ll be back and smash Kaylor v Christie out ASAP.
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Got Marquez edging this by a point, the deduction costing Barrera a draw on my card. 6-6 on rounds but of course if you follow the referees ruling then round seven changes to a 10-8 to Marquez and gives him a three point finish.
The referee was wrong though and a 9-9 is the correct score imo. Marquez won the round but Barrera scores a KD for a 10-9 round to Barrera, then deduct a point for hitting whilst Marquez was down. Ref cocked that right up but got away with it mainly cause Barrera was a moron and tried to get one back for Marquez hitting him on the break earlier. Moment of madness.
Great fight overall, lots of swings in momentum, loats of action, a bit of controversy and two legendary Mexicans settling it in the ring. Really enjoyed that.
Davie
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Never had a clue how to score the 7th, has to be one of the toughest rounds to make a decision on.
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114-114 even. What a great, underrated fight. I love to watch these two. I scored the seventh 10-9 Marquez, although if you’re going by the book it should be a 10-8 to him for the lack of knockdown plus the point deduction for Barrera. I know you’re supposed to score it as the ref calls it but that knockdown was so blatant by Barrera I thought I would give him the point back for the deduction.
Davie
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I never noticed that at the time, that's a shocker, Doug Tucker must have caught Barrera pumping his wife or something
Nice to see the other two judges agreed with my 116-111. Wise wise boxing men. They really do KSAB
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Wise boxing men, even the one who was a bird.
All done.I don’t agree with the consensus by the looks as I felt Barrera looked his age here (I know he is younger but was far more ring worn) and was fighting to stay in the fight at times.
Marquez was quicker of hand,punching harder and throwing longer and more accurate combinations.Its a fantastic performance from Marquez and even though Barrera still showed his class,I felt he was befuddled by Marquez quicker counters.He was probing and trying to lay traps but ring wear was the difference here.
As always with the Mexican 4,there’s some great exchanges.So rapid and intelligent.Marquez work in round seven is a delight to watch,ironically in a round where he was clearly dropped.
Marquez was quicker of hand,punching harder and throwing longer and more accurate combinations.Its a fantastic performance from Marquez and even though Barrera still showed his class,I felt he was befuddled by Marquez quicker counters.He was probing and trying to lay traps but ring wear was the difference here.
As always with the Mexican 4,there’s some great exchanges.So rapid and intelligent.Marquez work in round seven is a delight to watch,ironically in a round where he was clearly dropped.
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You classing Pacman as the fourth Mexican?
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I must be.
He once was dubbed the Mexicutioner, thats close enough hahaha
I think I’m fucking exhausted.
I like this fight.
Never saw the controversy, I had it 116-111 to MAB with that 7th round being pivotal.
One moment of madness by MAB leading to a 4 point swing.
Good performance by both men, very high skill level.
I would mention about how I prefer a good old fashioned HW slugfest but I fear @Davie will lose his shit with me lol.
Never saw the controversy, I had it 116-111 to MAB with that 7th round being pivotal.
One moment of madness by MAB leading to a 4 point swing.
Good performance by both men, very high skill level.
I would mention about how I prefer a good old fashioned HW slugfest but I fear @Davie will lose his shit with me lol.